A few years ago, circa 1995, there was a young guy who was trying to write a history of the company and its guns. SERIAL NUMBERS FOR ALL ITHACA GUNS MANUFACTURED by ITHACA GUN From 1880 - 1986. . The trigger guard retains 95% blue finish. It should NOT be considered safe to shoot with modern ammo until it has been checked by a WELL-QUALIFIED gunsmith for barrel type and condition and chamber length. Baker died in 1888 not too long after starting this company?). I'll try to post pictures, that might help someone identify its age. It was this firm that produced the now famous Batavia Leader shotguns. You would be wise to handload for this old piece of americana and use low pressure, standard volicity loads at those shot weights. Ending Friday at 8:16AM PST 1d 4h. Baker Gun Company Batavia Leader Shell Ejector 12g Double Barrel Shotgun Part. Barrel length: 30". A: Made in: 10ga with 30 or 32 inch barrels 12ga - 28, 30 or 32 inch barrels 16ga - with 28 or 30 inch barrels Serial numbers range from 1-7000 for this grade(A and B mixed) which puts your gun within the last 100 A's and B's made. They were good quality sidelock guns with damascus barrels. Face to face in Illinois would be best. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. The Blue Book of Gun Values strongly recommends an expert examination and appraisal when contemplating the purchase of a high grade Baker in 80% or better original condition. Attached is one page of the '1909 Baker Gunner'. ** All > Firearms: Return To Catalog. Checkered pistol grip stock with grip cap and serrated H&R Arm Co. plastic buttplate. It would seen incorrect to have marked a serial number on a wooden part where it could be sanded off or the wood replaced. The clerk at the store put a tape measure to the barrels to get an idea of what it would look like with 18.5 barrels. Sort of a Hi-Jack here I suppose. They were named "New Baker.". A serial number if there is one will be stamped on the bottom of the barrels or the flat part of the receiver which is known as the watertable. Search By: Lot #172: BAKER BATAVIA LEADER 12 GA SXS SHOTGUN. I have 12 GAUGE PARKER DOUBLE BARREL SHOTGUN WITH HAMMERS. Serial #: 100299. Make a double barrel shotgun, with hammers directly behind the firing pins. After WW-I with the rise of repeaters Baker sold their gun business to H&D Folsom Co. a major marketer, manufacturer and importer of low priced guns. Baker and his associations; and both men will gladly share the information they have gathered over many years. All 'Baker Grade' guns were available with the extra draw lug and firing pin block safeties. Smith as being the dominant partner as L.C. The Baker sidelock shotgun is considered to be one of America's Classic shotguns. The fore end has some poor repairs (the screws in the bottom) and would need to replaced in order for a collector to want it but then you defeat the purpose because now it would have replaced wood. 0 bids. The gun is tight and operates . The Batavia Special , with Homotensile barrels, was made from roughly 1907-1911. I was looking at a Baker Batavia Leader today that had a nominal asking price. they moved to Batavia and later became the Baker Gun . Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. Expert's Assistant: The Firearms Appraiser will get you a firearm appraisal. at that point of the stock.This is OLD, and and the info I have found on the internet says that you don't want to shoot a gun this old unless checked by a gunsmith first.an expert gunsmith who knows these old guns and can tell you if it is safe.Please see the pictures. Select Category THE BAKER GUN & FORGING CO. From a 1909 copy of The Baker Gunner - The Batavia Leader had twist barrels and listed at $25 - The Batavia Special had steel barrels and listed at $21.75 - The Batavia Damascus had Damascus barrels and listed at $28 - and, finally the Batavia Brush had 26-inch twist barrels and a straight-grip stock listing at $24 and offered swivels and a sling as an option for $3. $5.95 shipping. Baker guns were all well made, from simple field grades such as this Leader, to . 411509 was made in 1925. So, looks like when they went into inventory to get the gauge, barrel length and stock dimensions you wanted the engraving was a crap shoot. The Batavia Special was never made with Damascus barrels, the leader barrels should be stamped on top near the chambers in very small letters 'Homotensile steel', the other barrel will be stamped 'choke bored'. As far as I know, there is nothing like a Baker Collector's Club, but several years ago I met some folks through the L.C. There were several variations of the Batavia line in the 1909 "The Baker Gunner": the Batavia Leader with twist barrels at $25, the Batavia Special with steel barrels at $21.75, the Batavia Damascus at $28, the Batavia Brush with 26-inch Twist barrels and a straight-grip stock at $24, the Batavia . Make arms with an intercepting firing pin block safety. It is a bit aged. This lot is closed for bidding. Folsom listed the Black Beauty Special for $62 -$77 with ejectors, the Paragon $100 -$115, the Expert for $215, and the DeLuxe for $385. . Value around $500 depending on overall condition. 3. Makes me think it is Belgian in origin but with no proof marks on the barrel flats thats unlikely. Make a single barrel trap shotgun.2. Membership is free and we welcome all types of shooters, whether you're a novice or a pro. F in the serial number indicats a 1920 and later Baker, I think they stayed in production until 1938. Serial no. So, looks like when they went into inventory to get the gauge, barrel length and stock dimensions you wanted the engraving was a crap shoot. Late model Bakers were made by Crescent Firearms Company and have serial numbers with an "F" suffix. Download.torrent - 2006 FIFA World Cup - PC. Sidelock double barrel stocks are inherently prone to cracking near the receirver. We work hard to bring the best Firearms Forum has to offer! The Batavia guns were the low priced or field grade models of the Baker Gun Forging Co. To reduce costs the Batavia line did not have the firing pin block safety or the draw block which passes transversely through the barrel lug and mates into recesses in the frame, of the graded Baker hammerless guns and the Model 1897 hammer gun. Smith and Ithaca Gun before coming out with a shotgun with his own name on it. Copyright (c) 1993 - 2017 doublegunshop.com. Baker Gun & Forging Co. was an American firearms manufacturer established in 1863 by William Baker and Lewis Smith. When this gun came out fluid steep barrels were a 'new fangled contraption' and damascus was preferred for it's good looks. We'll need to see some pictures of your gun to really tell you much about it. Standard 12 ga bores are.729 inch (cylinder bore), a full choke is.694, modified.710 and Improved Cylinder.720 inches. Bidding ended on 6/14/2013. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. A Prime condition example (rare as as,these guns were used hard and received little care or maintenance) that appears to have come out of the factory yesterday afternoon might bring as much as $125 while a rusty and pitted metal, rotten or broken wood and missing parts piece of junk fit only for salvage of parts or as a whiskey still stirring stick might bring as little as $10 if it could be sold at all. Folsom listed the Black Beauty Special for $62 -$77 with ejectors, the Paragon $100 -$115, the Expert for $215, and the DeLuxe for $385. 1896/1930 Models. H & D Folsom Arms Co. 23, 25, and 31 (1929-1930) only list the Batavia Leader and Black Beauty Special. For sale is a Baker Batavia Leader SXS Shotgun in 12ga. Double triggers and tang mounted automatic safety. Baker Batavia Leader 20 gauge with 28' barrels bored full and modified.This rare little gun is in 98% original condition with 99% vivid case . For sale is a Baker Batavia Leader SXS Shotgun in 12ga. From a 1909 copy of The Baker Gunner - The Batavia Leader had twist barrels and listed at $25 - The Batavia Special had steel barrels and listed at $21.75 - The Batavia Damascus had Damascus barrels and listed at $28 - and, finally the Batavia Brush had 26-inch twist barrels and a straight-grip stock listing at $24 and offered swivels and a sling as an option for $3. They state that they introduced the Paragon about two years ago, but have been so busy with the lower priced guns that they haven't devoted the time and energy they should have in bringing it to the notice of the shooting public. Baker was quite a fellow and got around quite a bit. Baker shotguns manufactured between 1913 and 1923, that were engraved by Rudolph J. Kornbrath, command substantial price premiums over values listed. William Baker was born on Christmas day of 1835 in upstate New York. Folsom-made Baker guns normally have an F before or after the serial number. The Baker Gun & Forging Co. Had a line of double barrel shotguns, sidelocks, called Batavia guns in 1903. Paragon guns with damascus barrels with 80% or better original finish without pitting, reboring or polishing out are of equal or greater value as shotguns with Krupp steel barrels. From 1919 to approximately 1923, Folsom continued to assemble and make Baker shotguns. They state that they do not have any Paragon Grade guns in stock and all are made to order requiring 4 to 8 weeks. The Batavia Leader Model production starts in 1896 with serial number 75,000 and continues until 1915 ending with serial number154,000. This has a chip to the lower portion of the buttplate and the wood (toe?) Firearms In American Historyby Charles Winthrop Sawyer. Baker. Doublegunshop.com makes no commitment to update the information contained herein. at that point of the stock. David is concentrating on the L.C. They were factory original 30'. Batavia Specials go for between $200 and $400 when you see them. After L.C. Grades for these Folsom owned Baker Guns were the 'Batavia Leader,' 'Black Beauty Special,' 'Paragon,' 'Expert,' and 'DeLuxe.' There is no 'Standard Book Price' and no two people will tell you the same amount. This is a handsome gun that has the pre-H.D. wraped on a mandrel and forge welded? Fast & Free shipping on many items! Offered in a wide variety of grades, from plain utilitarian to heavily embellished models. The serial number is 100xxF. I believe 28 inch barrels would have been available but there is a chance someone cut yours back from 30 or 32'. After WW-I with the rise of repeaters Baker sold their gun business to H&D Folsom Co. A major marketer, manufacturer and importer of low priced guns. Excellent. ca. Smith Maker of Baker Guns. The guns were developed in the 1960s by Robert Mainhardt and Art Biehl through their joint company MB Associates. At end of gun stock is a logo B superimposed with a C and then superimposed with a T.-I assume it means Baker Co. Barrel is 32 in. Made from 1892-1908 Cost to manufacture: $50.00 Design: Sidelock with minimal scroll engraving and a dog or bird. There is also someone out there selling reproductions of a Batavia Gun metal advertising sign as well as the 1915 catalog. 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